The NCAA Wrestling Committee has applied the formula used to select the final ten qualifiers, and the ten wrestlers selected are as follows
Selected to Ensure 16 wrestlers per bracket
Carl DeLuca, UW-Oshkosh, 125
Timothy Hood, Cornell, 125
Eduardo Delgado, Hunter, 157
Reid Dickerson, UW-Whitewater, 174
Zachary Bates, Bridgewater State, 174
Selected to fill out the remaining spots to achieve 170 qualifiers
Max Cohen, Ithaca, 125
Matt Ulrich, Delaware Valley, 141
Eric Oyster, North Central, 149
Ryan Warcynski, Dubuque, 157
Tom Bouressa, Concordia-Moorhead, 285
What happen this year with the bidding is terrible i agree, it is a shame that there are kids out there with less than five losses not making it to nationals, because they took second in regional that only has 11 bids. Next year division 3 should realize that the only way to make nationals a fair playing ground is to even out the conferences and regionals. Take for instance Great lakes has Lakeland and Concordia wisconsin in there regionals, but yet Wisconsin has a conference of there own. That makes no sense. Centennial conference had 8 teams in it, empire had 9, great lakes had 15 or more, iowa conference had 9, midwest had 9, ohio had 7, new england had 14, metro had 11, wisconsin had 6 teams. Those our really lopsided advantages for people to make it to nationals. They should even these regionals and conferences out so they could take the top four from each weight class. People might get angry about saying there could should of made it, but it would be fair, and maybe some of the talent these schools get will level out to other school as well. I am sorry but I feel at 174 there a few other guys who should of made it before Bates and Dickerson. The top six guys in the great lakes regional would of placed higher than Dickerson in the Wisconsin conference. Markou of trine took second in the midwest, and he beat the defending champ from last year. Not to mention that only one guy placed from east coast at that weight. Scavuzzo took second in the ohio regional and he beat luke miller when he bump up, and lost to the kid who is number 1 ranked at 174 right know. I know for a fact that there have kids that quit wrestling or left division 3 schools in the past because of this system, because they see people in nationals that they have beaten several times. I believe they really need to change this system.
How hard is it to have a 32 man bracket? Div III is behind the times. Each year I see guys who should go to Nationals but are left behind becasue of this old system (high school system). I have seen wrestlers who should be All Americans but ran into a tough opponent in their conference. I am sure that the host city would like it, most schools would like it, and most importantly, the wrestlers would like it. Really, how hard is this? Jeez….
At a minimum, open up 4-5 more slots per conference. (Pigtails aren’t a bad thing at Nationlas). A kid from Ursinius (who went last year) was 15-3 and isn’t going because he lost in the finals of his conference. We have a whole year to fix this thing for 2012. Lets stop sitting and get a fix to this issue.
I am calling complete BS on the whole system. It needs to be revamped to get more good wrestlers to nationals. Why does previous success impact a decision that should be made each year? Expand the brackets. Use a rating system for wrestlers over the whole year. Make this a REAL national tournament instead on an invitational run by cronies. I am calling BS.
I copied and pasted this whole debate and sent it to the ncaa. i informed them that i will be posting their response on this site. I doubt it will do any good but maybe everyone who is not happy should grow a set and do the same thing. This will have to be addressed until something is done…
Amen, Food for Thought! On all your posts.
15-3 is a great record but did that kid have any quality wins? Win to get in is fine with me. I just wish some of the conferences would get moved around. USMMA just sent 6 kids to nationals. Maybe half of those should have qualified, but that conference is so weak that they dominate it with a middle of the road tourney team.
using regionals will still make things unfair, no matter how you divide it, someone will always be left home. saying an east coast guy has only a few losses means literally nothing, who do they wrestle? they aren’t battle tested like guys from the midwest, every single weekend there are numerous ranked guys in every bracket. i’ll give it to Ithaca, they come to the midwest to wrestle the best.
one guy beating the champ once means nothing, Schmitz wrestled tough guys all year, and proved himself over and over again. if they quit and left D3, that’s on them. the system is how it is, be the best in your area, and there isn’t a problem. you want to be the champ, you’ll have to beat the miller’s or the kwait’s or the battle tested wrestlers eventually. if you’re happy with just making the nationals, you shouldn’t be there anyways
Scavuzzo was Kwiat’s closest competition all year and he manhandled Miller, so tell me again why he should not be there? Did I mention he also has 30 wins and pinned about 16 of those people.
and I mean no disrespect to Kwiat or Miller. I admire their talent and I wish them the best of luck. I just feel bad for some of the wrestlers who deserve to be there and are not.
For spladleking a regional qualifier would make it unfair for who. D3 as turned into controlling these wrestlers and about manipulating the system, their is so crap that goes on behind the seens and know one monitering it. Take the coaches out of the equation and let the wrestlers control who stays home or who moves on. I watched D2 qualifier this past weekend and a kid who was ranked all year #1 or 2 had to fight to get true 4th to go to nationals they way it should be, all about the kids not some back room planning or a rigid formula that dosen’t include everybody, which if a formula dosen’t include all of D3 wrestling should not be used in the first place
“Maybe half of those should have qualified, but that conference [centennial] is so weak that they dominate it with a middle of the road tourney team.”
hmmm… based on the 2010 NCAA tourney and the NWCA rankings
125 Jordan Alfaro (AA) would have qualified in any conference
141 James Beshada, been to the NCAA’s, back from a year off, lost to top ranked Bridge.
149 Martin Bell, pins everyone, coulda pinned you, got to the show.
157 Dan Twito, ranked top 5 until injured, 3 time qualifier, …would be at the dance.
165 Vincent Renaut, (AA) and NCAA Champ. enough said.
174 Justin Diesel, Ranked 7th in recent NWCA polls, beat number of kids who qualified in other “stronger” conferences.
285 Judd Connell, 3rd ranked HWT, would be attending NCAA’s regardless of conference.
The team went undefeated at the North South duals beating TCNJ and Cortland, undefeated D3 record.
Spending 8 months at sea can really effect your physical condition and the start of the season is usually pretty rough for these guys. Noting: poor performances at Doug Parks and York.
Middle of the road team? doesn’t seem fair.
Div I has large brackets, hell…NAIA has large brackets. But no…..Div III has a tiny 16 man bracket. Like Lou said above…how hard is this? Really, I want to know….how hard is this to expand the brackets? Cost to the schools to send 1 or 2 guys per season…..time lost for the coaches who have other jobs….shortage of hotels in Cedar Rapids….or we want to stick to the high school 16 man brackets? What is it?!
Div I has large brackets, NAIA has large brackets. But no…..Div III has a tiny 16 man bracket. I want to know what the major malfunction is….Cost to the schools to send 1 or 2 guys per season…..time lost for the coaches who have other jobs….shortage of hotels in Cedar Rapids….or we want to stick to the high school 16 man brackets? What is it?!
Win and get in, its simple. If you dont make it one year train harder then everybody in the country and win nationals the next year. If everybody got in then it would mean nothing. Its called COMPETITION you are competing for spots. You should not just get the spot handed to you. Good luck to everybody!
Yes its that simple if the same rules applied everybody. People write to NCAA its a start.
32 man brakets would be great!!! All the coaches would surely agree I would think!!
However its convinicng the NCAA to grant that many participants to the tournament. They just did raise the number by ten witch is a step in the right direction. Everyone is complaining about 16 man brackets, sure beats having a couple of brackets with 11-14 guys or something, like in the past.
Yes it is a money issue, the NCAA pays for the participants for certain days at nationals with the institutions picking up the rest. So its very hard to convince the NCAA to double the size of the tournament therfor doubling the amount of money they pay for it.
With the talk of going to regionals hopefully DIII wrestling can pull together and come up with a great proposal to the NCAA for a regional plan , and can increase the number of participants. Maybe 6 or 7 regionals with 30 going from each regional, top 3 at each weight. Also I think 10 at large bids would be great also to get the best guys at nationals.
You guys are crazy. The system IS flawed, and worthy kids get left home every year. This is wrestling! This is the way it is, you wrestle the person put in front of you to qualify for nationals.
This system needs some adjustments but a 32 man bracket is not the answer IMO. D3 wrestling does not have the depth to just double the amount of qualifiers. We would end up with a lot of .500 or lower kids making nationals. At least this way the tough kids that make it to nationals can say they are “national qualifiers” and it means something.
I don’t pretend to know what the best solution is, but I dont think 32 qualifiers is the answer.
to GreenTfortheW:
You just pointed out why if they were in a stronger conference they wouldn’t have sent them all “Noting: poor performances at Doug Parks and York.”
I never said they shouldn’t all be there but put them in a conference where they actaully have to fight to make the finals and let’s see if they all make it.
If conferences were at the beginning of the year, a couple weeks after most of them returned from 8 months on a ship…then yes, what you said would make sense.
You called them a “middle of the road tourney team,” they’re ranked top 10. Tougher conference means more qualifiers and more wild cards. If the USMMA was moved into another conference those extra bids in that conference would probably go up even more…
Minnesota only has 4 schools, which isn’t enought to host their own conference. Yet, they consistantly have 3 of the top programs in the country.
It’s not about “What are my conference or region teams doing today?”. It’s about “What do my teams do on a year to year basis?”
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