Friday/Saturday Qualifier Results

1. Can anyone explain how the NEWA conducts their tourney? Can you wrestleback for 1st? Is that even legal in a qualifying tourney?

2. Somebody help me out here… Does Rice from NYU at 165 have a shot at qualifying? Top 10 ranking….30-2 on the season….3rd in his qualifier…

   Thoughts???

3. Rice can not qualify

4. NEWA follows what is known as a “true champion” format. The tournament goes through regular brackets and places 1-6 just like in any other tournament. At this point, what has actually happened is #1 has secured a spot in the finals. #2 and #3 wrestle off for the opportunity to wrestle #1. So a wrestler can take 2nd initially, then lose to the 3rd place finisher. He is now 3rd for a final place finish in the tournament (see the 174 bracket, this happened to Freilich from WPI). In this case, 3 would move up to the actual tournament finals and secure a top 2 spot in the tournament. 1 and 2 (remember the new 2 may have been 2 or 3 before) wrestle in the finals. If 1 wins, he wins the tournament. If 2 wins, there may or may not be an “if” finals as you can see in the brackets. The way this works is if 2 wins, but had been beaten by 1 earlier in the tournament they have to wrestle in the “if” finals in order to break the split (as of right now, they would be 1-1 against one another in the bracket). So for example, suppose the 1 seed loses to the 4 seed in the semis, then 4 beats the 2 seed in the finals. 1 can wrestle back, take 3rd, beat #2 to enter the finals, then beat the #4 seed who placed first. Now 1 and 4 are 1-1 against each other and they would wrestle the “if” finals. The whole point of this format is to make sure that the conference sends their best man to the NCAA tournament, giving them the best chance of producing an All-American. Look at the 141 bracket where Antista (Williams), a nationally ranked wrestler, gets upset in the first round. He is given the opportunity to wrestle back and win the tournament and receive a bid to the national tournament.

5. By the way, does anybody know the NEWA wildcards? I’m guessing Foote, Giblin, and Gauthier are in there, but there should be 1 or 2 more. Maybe Vaughn?

6. In a tournament where you have less than 20 qualifers, you should be allowed to run a TRUE double elimination tournament. In a true double elimination tournament, you can wrestle-back and take 1st, because technically you only lost once. However, you’d have the beat the first place wrestler twice.

   Makes sense to me.

7. Hooligan thanks for explaining that for me.

8. It’s a good idea, but if you are 1 and 1 with a kid how is that fair at least for a wildcard? Example: Freilich
   (WPI) was 1 and 1 with the same kid. I realize he lost twice, but he split with the number 2 kid and lost to the number 1 kid same as the JWU wrestler. It creates a little issue I think.

9. I understand what you’re saying about Freilich, but I think at this point it comes down to the fact that we can’t make every match a best 2 out of 3, so they resolve to only do it for the finals.

10. I know people are unsatisfied every year about certain kids being left out of nationals, but looking at some of them left out this year, there seems to be more reason to complain.

    Rice from NYU, 30-2, with those 2 losses coming to his very competitive conference opponents, holding a top 10 (and top 5 for most of it) ranking the entire season. He’s beaten a number of the current qualifiers too, most of whom have a good shot at placing.

    Strausbaugh from Wabash, only 4 losses compared to about 40 wins, been in the top 10 for about the entire season and also beat many top kids who have qualified.

    Pederson from Olivet, has had a very good season, and beat Strausbaugh for true 2nd.

    Gibson from UWW, didn’t have the best start to the season but was really coming on strong around the end. He just couldn’t quite pull it through in the conference finals.

    I could name more but I feel like these guys, especially the first 2, really stick out. It isn’t their fault that they belong to weak conferences that just so happen to be strong at their weight classes. There are many kids who made it who have counterparts from another conference that would do better. Should the weakest weights in Great Lakes and Iowa Conferences still get 3 automatic bids?

    At this high of a level, anything can happen on any given day. There are so many kids in both the collegiate and high school levels who don’t place first in their qualifier or get an initial bid to their state or national tournament, who end up doing very well and even win their respective pinnacle tournaments.

    http://www.ncaa.com/news/wrestling/article/2012-02-23/qualifier-allocations-announced

    Would it be so hard to allocate qualifiers per weight per conference like they do at the division 1 level? This seems to be a much more efficient way of going about things. Opinions?

11. I agree with everything in the post above, Ridiculous!! Gibson deserved a WIAC bid so much and I heard he was an alternate but still didn’t get in. It would be WAY more efficient to allocate qualifiers like D1. Also heard the WIAC is joining a region soon (next year?) so maybe lots of things will change with qualifying soon too,

12. And with the allocations, it says it is based on current year data, so this seems very efficient to be sure all the best Wrestlers get to challenge themselves at Nationals.

13. The regionals are set up to be lop-sided as well…right now the proposal is to have iowa conference and and great lakes conference join regions where there only 11 teams and conferences like empire and metro will join 18 team regions… meanwhile all regions will have amae amount of national bids where top 3 go. This was format was proposed by a former Augsburg coach and it is in my opinion that they are merely trying to line up the odds in their favor as they always have been. Soooo….18 teams—30 qualifiers and 11 teams—30 qualifiers! You do the math. These sellfish administrators are going to be the people to ruin d-3 and it is my recommendation that this be heavily contested at the coaches meeting at nationals. They are basing it on historical data when the whole idea of regions was to get away from historical data….what gives? If this goes down, more and more programs will continue to be cut and fewer teams will has a shot at representation at nationals. Ultimately, this is going to put us back in the same boat, with guys like Rice having to stay home, all because teams like Augs. and Wart. want to take 10 guys and will stop at nothing to ensure it happens. I appreciate any supportive feedback on this!

14. sorry for typos…amae = same

15. What are the proposed regional going to look like or at least suppose to look like for next season

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