Full Qualifier List

1. this is a joke, nice job NCAA wrestling committee

2. I only agree with one pick and he made it on the 170 Qualifier list. NCAA Wrestling Committee poor job. A not so funny joke it is. Guess I’ll wait and see how these picks do before really bashing the Committee. They definitely left out some obvious choices.

3. The committee did not make any choices. They only applied a previously determined formula. There is no one to bash in this case.

4. Is there a link to the formula Andy?

5. At 125, raw deal for Alvanos (Wesleyan)- he should be going to Nationals.

6. Some explanation can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/65pae7h

7. The formula uses the wrestlers that were voted as alternates by each of the individual qualifying tournaments at the wild crad meetings. If the wrestlers named as alternates are not enough to sufficiently fill each weight, then a list of reserves chosen and ranked at each meeting is used. If there is anyone to blame, it is those that made the choices at the individual wild card meetings, but those are always a mess.

8. who created the formula? i will place the blame on them rather than the ncaa. the extra ten bids would have been a great opportunity for deserving wrestlers with a bad day or one bad match, that opportunity has been wasted

9. Looks like the old “win to get in” really applies here.

10. you can’t blame the people selecting wild cards and alternates, they pick the next best wrestler from their regional. the formula should apply nation-wide, not qualifier by qualifier, places like the OAC and Midwest Regional didn’t even have a shot for these extra ten, the rich got rich and the poor got poorer

11. I really don’t see any way that you would be able to apply a formula withou going from one qualifier to the next looking at who they chose as alternates/reserves to fill out the remaining spots. As for the rich get richer argument, again, it is all based on how well each qualifier performs at the NCAAs. The ones that are clearly performing best year in and year out (IIAC & Great Lakes) should be rewarded since they are producing a greater percentage of AAs each year. The only way to change that is to go out and out-perform the other qualifiers, which thus far has not been happening.

12. its funny to listen to east coast whine every year about qualifiers and then not go out and perform, the midwest consistently goes out to ncaas and put up the highest PERCENTAGE of AAs

13. I believe everyone’s hands were tied by the use of Historical Data. If the NCAA had just given 10 more spots to the nationals (with no plan to fill the weights-which was the only argument that actually got 10 more spots)then the conferences that benefited under the present system would have still been the only one’s to benefit. That the Midwest, Ohio, and Centeniel would still not have received an extra bid because they did not qualify through historical data. It’s my understanding that some in power wanted to stay tied to historical data to possibly gain more overall spots to nationals (180) if a new system would be put into place that did not consider historical data.

    By the way, east coasters aren’t the only one’s whining because those Ohio and Indiana are not on the east coast.

14. when 70% of the tournament is from the midwest, they’re going to bring home 70% of the hardware. Granted conferences like centennial or ohio don’t deserve extra wildcards.. How do you think this historical data got started? The wildcards were always allocated favorably to certain conferences, which has always given them higher chances of bringing home AA’s.

    Nationals is a lot easier to compete at when you’re wrestling people that you compete with all year.

    Bogus.

15. iowa confrence 56 percent placed last year
    empire confrence 57 percents
    so mabe you shoud stop talking up the midwest

16. iowa IS in the midwest united states. lol.

    those stats are out of context and don’t make sense to this discussion. are you saying that’s the percentage of qualifiers that placed?

    if so, you’re further proving my point. if both of those conferences have comparable placing percentages for qualifiers… then the conference that sends more people wins. iowa = 35 qualifiers, empire= 20 (including alternates). if they both place around 56%, iowa still gets more AAs and more wildcards for next year. obviously lopsided. the only reason iowa and the other big time conferences agreed to this wildcard system is because they got more qualifiers off the bat, and they’re not going to lose them anytime soon.

17. If I’m not mistaken its an average over 3(?) years at nationals that determines the bids. Did the Empire get more bids this year than they did last year? Now that you get more bids will you keep that wopping 1% advantage? The Iowa conference usually averages 20+ AA’s a year, and sometimes 4 in a single weight. When the Empire demonstrates this kind of depth they will be rewarded.

18. FWIW, you will prob get your wish as I don’t think the iiac is as strong this year as it has been in the past. Though come nationals the other schools seem to prove that it’s still very strong.

19. ^ jake if the empire conference got to send more qualifiers that 57% would plumit. the fact that there is only a 1% difference means that the number of qualifiers they are allowed to sned is just right. In my oppinion the brackets should be made into 32 man brackets

20. please go to a regional qualifier top 4 at each weight go then it stops the back room meetings BCS computer picks my bad the so call formula that they use I know it going to be hard for certain people to give up control but thats what is destroying wrestling people in control of who goes and who doesn’t you are top 4 you go STOP THIS WILDCARD STUFF

21. Number of AAs means nothing, it is all about the percentage of qualifiers that end up as AAs. The Empire did perform very well last year, and were rewarded as one of the 4 qualifiers that received 2 extra bids, rather than 1 or none like the others. It looks like they are 3rd right now as far as performance over the past three years go. If they keep performing at that rate, their number of qualifiers will go up.

22. Is it me, or is Div. 3 wrestling in general kind of an “old boy’s” club with a few influential people who dictate what happens through their opinions. I see the names of certain coaches on rankings committees and watch their teams and wrestlers get “press”. Some teams and wrestlers lose without consequence while others have their stock drop like a rock. I am new to this. Please tell me if I am paranoid or if it seems that way to others.

23. I must be paranoid then too Metro Fan, because I definitely feel the same way at times.

24. This is a joke everybody talks about this formula and percentages and what you did previous years We are talking about D3 WRESTLING guys this isn’t math class or what you did last year or years before its about the current year you are in This wildcard stuff and these so called committees and coaching meetings and conference calls that is all about control that certain people want These kids are putting alot of time into this sport and to have a formula or a panel of people say who goes an dosen’t go is ridicious being in wrestling 40 years you always new you place top 3 or 4 you move on this other crap takes away what makes this sport great

25. metro it feels that wrestlers with coaches on the committee get calls get higher seeds and things like that same feeling here

26. D3 wrestling, where wrestlers who have aged a few years magically show up to compete for ‘legendary’ coaches.

27. This was my 4th year as a coach and in these years i have learned many flaws within the system. From private schools somehow managing to rope in a D-1 lineup to lopsided qualifying system, to wrestlers and teams remaining ranked when they should not be. There are D-3 teams in bed with D-1 programs as well as non-rostered athletes in the practice room with rostered athletes. But i can’t say that if i had those same advantages, that i wouldn’t capitalize on them. You can’t blame the coach for legally getting away with something, you can only blame the NCAA for a lack of oversight. The regional system will help, but the fact of the matter is, schools like wartburg will still do better at nationals because they have the administrative backing to pad the financial aid of a three time state champ and offer packages comparable to those of a D-1 program. It’s not just Wburg and again i would do the same thing at my institution if it was warranted. Coaches at nationals should lobby to convert to this regional format and not be swayed by old blood and cronyism. The NCAA should take this situation a lot more seriously and move to make necessary changes to give all athletes a fair shot. Another thing i havent heard much about is the fact that these “weaker” conferences have huge retention issues because of these imbalances. Not just with wrestlers, but with coaches as well. I’m not attempting to argue here as i just want to help identify problems within this great sport and do whatever i can to preserve it’s rich history as well as add to it whenever i can. Is the NCAA even aware of the fact that many people are not happy with current way things are being handled? Maybe we should start forwarding these debates to them as i see educated opinions from both ends of the spectrum that could attribute to some form of resolve. Good luck at nationals everyone!

28. This system is horrible you have certain wrestlers that were ranked 6 or 7th almost all year finished 2nd in confrence tournament only because of an injury and beat people that are being sent but I guess if you don’t go to a school who its on every committe then you don’t go

29. The system IS horrible, BUT the NCAA needs to step in and have more control over D3. Besides the apparently steroid and drug use by some wrestlers, something like this needs to be overhauled and fixed. Now, it’s not really entertainment if it’s all just one area of the US represented, because I think it’s fair to say that any one of these guys, if they get hot, can go on a tear and win it all.

    I don’t really know, at the end of the day it’s sort of sad to see some names go and some stay, even with head to head wins. Someone always loses out and I guess the only way to battle it all is to win it all and leave it out of math, the committee’s, or fate’s hand.

    I’m going to be THAT person and just say that the Centennial should either lose AQ status or be divided into other conferences. Though it has produced a few monsters, it’s weak and remains weak. Honestly? It’s a lacrosse conference, not a wrestling conference.

30. HALLELUJAH! (for once, haha) i agree with JERSEY.. and thank god! ‘food for thought’.. the NCAA will never listen to the fans/coaches. i.e. BCS football. that will never change, and neither will these problems. the NCAA is about what THEY want, not what’s best for the athletes. talk about anti-trust issues… but i digress…

    politics, politics, politics…

    kids who would AA are kept out of nationals because of certain coaches, and certain teams will be good out of nowhere because of D1 drop-outs and 2nd semester transfers. i applaud the perennial D3 all-stars… Tate, Helgerson, Bonitatus, etc. it’s rare nowadays to see a kid stick with one team and persevere all through his career without transferring to seek success. It all comes back to the NCAA and the administration. Granted, they broadened Nationals to 16 per weight and 170 overall… but it’s not enough to manage the situation. they need to really sit down this offseason and fix this issue.

    i know my dreams where crushed because i left it up to the committee to decide, but biases and ‘history’ of nationals prevailed over the here and now of this season.

31. I’m sorry Metro that you were one of the ones who were affected by this bs selection but you are right no one will listen and none care about fixing it.it just sucks that every wrestler works there tail off for that one shot at being the best and will never get a chance

32. I like Metro’s BCS and wrestlers who stick with a program reference. The NCAA at the top is a business and it’s all about the money just like MLB. They don’t care about some wrestler in D3 that worked his butt off all Season and JUST missed out going to the Nationals because of their bogus formula. I read it and think it’s a quick lazy way of filling spots. It needs some serious tweaking. The NCAA is too worried about “big money making D1” to take care of “small potatoes” D3 which does need an overhaul. Steroids, age and eligibility and that dumb formula is just the tip of the iceberg.

33. one way is to start writing to NCAA if one person as the guts to even look at the situation you never know I know people think they don’t care about the little guys but you have to start somewere Everybody always worried that wrestling is a dying sport this mess will destroy D3 wrestling

34. you east coast guys need to stop whining. the midwest gets the most qualifiers because they are the best teams in the country. this isnt a joke, what is a joke is only have 13 man brackets at the national tournament. the committee knew they messed up last year, so now they fixed it. they filled the brackets based off of how strong the conferences are, it was pre-planned. if your guy is so good, why didn’t he auto-qualify?

35. How can they “pre-plan” how strong a conference is going to end up? Maybe they should wait until mid-Feb to decide how strong each weight class is in each conference & then decide where to fill in the gaps. IE: OAC 174lbs

36. this is ridiculous…you’re telling me that george markou doesn’t make up one of the remaining 10??? He defeated Schmitz in overtime this year and schmitz is the returning national champion!!!—anybody who can knock off the returning national champion is good enough to be an all-american!

37. as i said earlier… look back at recent years. that formula is biased towards those teams. it’s easier to AA the more opportunities you have.. and they’re going to get more wrestlers going to those conferences because they have a better chance of qualifying with top 3 or 4 going.

38. “Ouch” is right. OAC 174lbs. Scavuzzo should be going. That alone shows the system is flawed. Of course the Brackets should be filled. Auto qualify like the IIAC, come in 3rd and your in. I don’t the East is whining as much as showing the cracks in the system.

39. 1- it’s percentage of all-americans, not total all-americans, so the number there shouldn’t matter
    2- one guy upsetting a top guy is a solid win, but that doesn’t qualify you for nationals, consistancy, as well as having a hell of a day (aka the Central kid at 125), does qualify you
    3- i do agree that the past strongly influences who gets how many qualifiers, but they (the ncaa committee) are justified in the decisions, it shows year after year. the best conference in the country is the IIAC, that is why they received 35 bids to the NCAA tournament

40. 2010 Results as posted by “jake”
    Empire 57%
    IIAC 56%

41. I really feel for the OAC,Centennial, and Midwest that they weren’t part of the “10” formula. We have 2-3 kids that were qualifiers or top 10 ranked wrestlers all sitting at home. Just a shame…Had a few wrestlers like Stausbaugh (Wabash), Richmond (Olivet)-lost to brown 5-3 and three others at Nationals by a few points. Mena (Olivet), Markou(Trine)–beat Schmitdz, Moore (Wabash)–lost by one to #7 ranked…all sitting at home without a chance because of the fabulous formula.

42. Let’s put an end to this with charging institutions an NCAA fee and bringing the number of qualifiers up to 200 so things can equal out a bit more. Historical data is just that….as the years pass different regions will have stronger kids and this year the OAC, Midwest, and Centennial could have more AA’s if there were more bids.

43. so are you saying the Empire should have as many qualifiers as the IIAC? Because I feel bringing 35 out of the Empire would not be bringing the strongest wrestlers to the tournament.. and your percentage would drop.. significantly. your top guys are definitely good quality, but the depth isn’t there

44. I agree with Ouch, these extra ten spots cannot be determined by conference strength. they should have just gone to the next best wrestlers in the entire COUNTRY. i will never argue to reduce the number of bids the IIAC or Great Lakes regional receives, they are deserved. But these extra bids shouldn’t have been based on conference strength because now we have weak wrestlers from strong conferences. p.s. markou was consistent, won the Dick Walker (Wartburg), placed 4th at Michigan State Open, only losses were to 4 guys that will all, all-american

45. I agree with Lion 141. charge a fee or just have every school pay there kids way to nationals and increase the number of bids to two hundred or two twenty. The more kids that can feel good about their college wrestling experience. the more kids you will have donating back to their college program and supporting college wrestling in general. if they get out there and dont place. they will have nothing to complain about. i dont think the ncaa would care how many wrestlers we have at the tournament as long as it doesnt cost them more money. and i dont think schools will mind paying the cost because its good publicity for the school.

46. To spladleking: No, 35 isn’t a realistic figure for Empire, but 15 isn’t either. 18- 20 for the size and quality of that Conference is realistic.

47. Economic times are tough, some schools would not foot the bill they would rather just cut the wrestling team.

    I agree that the extra bid system is flawed, but it’s flawed for everyone. Dale Handley was ranked as high as 3rd this year, had a rough tournament coming back from injury and didn’t qualify. Up to the conference tournament he had beat everyone put in front of him.

    Had they not used a formula it would be a huge mess deciding who would get the extra bids, and people still would be upset.

48. Handley is from Coe, out of the Iowa conference. The formula was used to decide extra bids. Someone has to be left home.

49. It’s one thing to get left out because you have a rough tournament because you’re coming back from an injury. It’s another thing to be left out because you lose by 1 point to the #1 ranked guy in your weight class (who dodged you in the dual meet) and the extra bids were already pre-determined before the season started. IE: OAC 174lbs

50. For iiac its alot easier for you to say you didn’t get one person through I would bet that if he was hurt that is probably why he didn’t get wildcard and then put him as a alternate so the formula would take him Where i see the metro takes some odd wildcards and put a returning AA as a alternate knowing he would almost certain get one of those 10 at large bid which is odd that one of metro coaches as something to do with this great formula

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